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hey guys how's it going welcome back to

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the show

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um i hope everyone's doing really well

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i just realized i played the wrong intro

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countdown but never mind

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um good to be back again guys i'm really

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excited for this conversation before i

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introduce my guest i just wanted to say

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thank you to everybody that's watching

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podcast with quite a few other podcasts

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on there as well some new

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um so yeah go and check it out so thank

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you to all who are watching or listening

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um

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yeah i think that's all the news and

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stuff like that let's get straight into

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it so um

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this is a repeat guest someone who i had

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on last year had a fantastic

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conversation with last time we discussed

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the aerial school case from rural

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zimbabwe this time he's back we're going

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to discuss other cases in africa so

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these are probably cases most of us have

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not heard of before i certainly haven't

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so i really hope you guys enjoy it as

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much as i am going to so without further

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hi vinnie how are you

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i'm good my friend how are you very well

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thank you good to see you happy new year

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yeah happy new year thank you so much

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man it's it seems strange still saying

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that like i feel like it was so long ago

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by time

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i know i mean time has been so funny

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under this uh the circumstances we live

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in under at you know covering everything

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can't um

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you know each day seems the same you

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know the same news the same

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circumstances each day so

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there's no like variation in the day

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that you can relate to that season has

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changed or time has moved on we just

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seem to say talking about the same topic

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day in and day

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i completely agree mate i completely

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agree well listen thank you so much for

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coming back on the show i really do

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appreciate it i know we've had quite a

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bit of interaction behind the scenes

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since we first sort of were acquainted

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last year and i do really appreciate

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that that kind of friendship that we've

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built because you know you've been such

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a new a value to to me and the subject

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so i really just wanted to say i

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appreciate that

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no worries thank you and it's pleasure

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being meeting you and

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learning more about what you're doing

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and you know it's really interesting

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following the different cases you're

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involved in as well so

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it's really kind of like sparked a new

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keen interest in the subject

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you know which i've kind of laid aside

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because of family and work and other

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things you know like getting your life

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you know so it's really

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a lot of new people and new faces and

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new stories coming out

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wow that's fantastic now obviously our

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last interview we did we really just

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covered the aerial school case from

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rural zimbabwe which you were an

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within days of it happening so we won't

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really touch upon that today we've got

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some other cases that i know you want to

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but a couple of quick questions um i

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wanted to ask is are you still

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in touch with any of the the witnesses

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is it still something you're kind of

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i do keep in touch with some of the

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witnesses obviously um they got their

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own lives that they're dealing with and

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you know so it's once in a while i

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in touch with someone and they say hello

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and we just you know

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have a friendly short chat you know i

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mean a lot of them are quite shy about

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it still you know

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get them to come out in the open is not

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easy for them because of the yeah

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we're gonna say the spectacle and still

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the and you know the

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backlash from media and social media

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nowadays you know uh they can come with

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that but it's better than what it was

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before because i

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myself was not really coming forward

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with the topic you know of you of us

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laugh factor basically behind the scenes

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and you know people are just not taking

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or not being open-minded at least you

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absolutely completely agree so i mean

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it's good that you are that you did and

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hopefully they will follow suit a bit

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more in the future but i can i can

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totally understand where they're coming

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from right now so it's it's fully

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understandable um which leads me on to

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um a project that we probably all in the

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subject heard about a few years ago

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which was randa nicholson's documentary

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focusing on on the aerial case and it

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just seemed to have just gone really

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quiet for quite some time now and i

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still get asked a lot do you know

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anything and unfortunately i don't

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really have the answer and i know that

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you i think you were a part of that

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project weren't you

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yes i was part of that and

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randall did interview me

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uh for that although initially when he

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did the interview with me it was a much

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smaller project

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focusing around john mack

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institute but then it expanded out to

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the whole area of phenomena and that

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just grew and grew for him and it became

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such a huge project

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you know it's been a challenge for him

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because this was a lot of material he

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had to go through he tracked down a lot

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of witnesses

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gathered a lot of evidence and you know

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so he had a lot of work plus

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and i believe he's actually close to

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you know making a deal as far as i know

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from the last thing i heard you know

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it's very close

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excellent um

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but i haven't heard from him lately you

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actually heard from him but from what i

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hear he seems to be okay um and he's

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working forward i think he's what the

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problem is he doesn't want

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it's it's it's going to be kind of like

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the big reveal when he has the

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final um

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media people who are gonna

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put it on you know i don't know who's

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gonna publish it in terms of

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if it's gonna be on netflix or someone

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else you know i'm not sure at this stage

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no that's kind of behind the scenes at

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this stage of course and i think these

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things do take time when you're

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negotiating deals with production

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companies with regards to things like

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that i can totally understand that and i

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think the last i heard

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again probably last year was that he i

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think covid had a massive impact on the

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project as well like it had a an impact

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on a lot of people's lives in general so

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you know i'm sure that added some delays

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but that's great that we kind of you

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know it still could be coming and it's

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not just gone for good and disappeared

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no i don't think it has gone for good

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you know

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and um i think the material's all there

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it's all kind of ready to go it's just

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getting that uh production out

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out of the door basically unsigned

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yeah and hopefully maybe we'll get it

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this year i'm praying

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absolutely fingers crossed 100

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excellent well i hope that answers the

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questions that people have been putting

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to me

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for some time now so thank you gunther

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now with regards to the three cases that

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we're going to discuss tonight well i

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mean it's not going to be much of a

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discussion we're just going to be

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sitting back learning about these

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awesome cases but um

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these have come through

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i think you'll work with cynthia hind in

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the past am i right yes i helped cynthia

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a lot of these cases are her cases

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and some of these cases are in her books

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that she has published but we used to

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and she would talk about the cases and

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new material had come up because she was

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a representative for mufon

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often come back from the states when she

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traveled on her travels

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tell us what was happening newing

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and any of the cases that we were

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and then tell us you know some of the

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interesting stories and we used to also

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ask her to repeat some of her stories

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that she had in the book you know

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because she had such a brilliant

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storyteller you know and um we just love

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that just listening to us sit down and

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have coffee and cake and you know

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nice yeah from from her you know about

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investigations yeah

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i mean i only heard about really through

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yourself last year and then having a bit

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of like time to research her online and

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stuff she seemed like an incredible

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woman

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dedicated researcher thorough in her

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investigations boots on the ground

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because of her background in

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journalism she was

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always out there to get the facts on the

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ground and

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yeah she could have just sat back and

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just um

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you know taken the case from someone to

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send a letter or something like that but

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she was always keen to travel to

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some of the more interesting cases

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evidence on the ground talk to the

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witnesses

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um to get a sense of the environment

284
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where the where this occurred you know

285
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and um

286
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you know to also be able to judge the

287
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witnesses

288
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directly and look at them in the eye are

289
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they

290
00:10:29,030 --> 00:10:26,399
you know you can't do that

291
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through a screen or just um

292
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you know getting a an email or something

293
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that you know actually seeing

294
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the places happened

295
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the conversation when they express the

296
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emotions all those kind of things

297
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culminate in making the story genuine or

298
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you know or something you know mine or

299
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something like that or someone was

300
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hoaxing it's it's much easier to prod

301
00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:52,480
them face to face you know yeah

302
00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:54,480
absolutely couldn't agree more

303
00:10:58,630 --> 00:10:56,399
um so hey listen you like you said we've

304
00:11:00,550 --> 00:10:58,640
got three cases you want to discuss so

305
00:11:02,069 --> 00:11:00,560
i'll open up the floor to you and you

306
00:11:03,430 --> 00:11:02,079
can start wherever you like i know

307
00:11:05,269 --> 00:11:03,440
you've got a presentation that you want

308
00:11:06,949 --> 00:11:05,279
to show so whenever you want me to bring

309
00:11:08,069 --> 00:11:06,959
that up just say the word and we're good

310
00:11:09,910 --> 00:11:08,079
to go

311
00:11:12,069 --> 00:11:09,920
yeah let me just give a brief uh

312
00:11:14,630 --> 00:11:12,079
synopsis of the three cases i'll

313
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probably talk to you about um the first

314
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one will be the landing at luxton

315
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which occurred in

316
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75

317
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this was in south africa

318
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and then the second one will be the lara

319
00:11:29,269 --> 00:11:26,720
shell case which was in the eastern

320
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highlands of zimbabwe

321
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and that was in 81 and then

322
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the peter and francis

323
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on the road to bike bridge which was

324
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quite an interesting case

325
00:11:41,350 --> 00:11:39,920
it kind of had

326
00:11:43,750 --> 00:11:41,360
gave me the

327
00:11:45,269 --> 00:11:43,760
feeling similar to the betty betty and

328
00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:45,279
barney hill case

329
00:11:49,190 --> 00:11:47,440
in some respects but when i tell you

330
00:11:51,430 --> 00:11:49,200
about it you'll understand

331
00:11:53,509 --> 00:11:51,440
um that's that occurred in the early 70s

332
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i haven't got an exact date

333
00:11:58,069 --> 00:11:55,760
um when it occurred but i know they came

334
00:12:01,190 --> 00:11:58,079
forward in 74

335
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to the media when they saw

336
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a case in the newspaper they came

337
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forward

338
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to tell their case and

339
00:12:08,710 --> 00:12:07,120
it was then passed on to cynthia

340
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eventually

341
00:12:13,590 --> 00:12:11,200
with she then included in her book

342
00:12:15,829 --> 00:12:13,600
because it was quite an interesting case

343
00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:15,839
right

344
00:12:22,069 --> 00:12:18,480
i'll start with the landing at luxem

345
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uh this happened in south africa um

346
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in the morning

347
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early morning of 31st of july 1975

348
00:12:34,150 --> 00:12:32,079
and it was on a property owned by

349
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danny van gran

350
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he was a smallhold farmer in the

351
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area and i will bring up the slide if i

352
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can get you to

353
00:12:49,750 --> 00:12:46,710
there we go okay

354
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so this you can see i circled it in red

355
00:12:57,910 --> 00:12:56,470
i will just sorry to interrupt gunter

356
00:12:59,750 --> 00:12:57,920
and i will just say to everybody that's

357
00:13:01,350 --> 00:12:59,760
watching and that we

358
00:13:02,710 --> 00:13:01,360
we've been having some technical issues

359
00:13:04,310 --> 00:13:02,720
where we can't full screen the

360
00:13:05,990 --> 00:13:04,320
presentation so unfortunately we've got

361
00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:06,000
the borders just to let you guys know

362
00:13:10,069 --> 00:13:08,000
that we have tried to make it as big as

363
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we can so i just wanted to put that out

364
00:13:12,389 --> 00:13:11,200
there because i'm sure people in the

365
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comments would say

366
00:13:16,870 --> 00:13:14,639
full screen it so i hope you guys can

367
00:13:19,750 --> 00:13:16,880
see that sorry gunther go ahead yeah

368
00:13:21,750 --> 00:13:19,760
this um happened in luxon in the south

369
00:13:24,949 --> 00:13:21,760
west of south africa

370
00:13:27,509 --> 00:13:24,959
in a way it's a luxury is in the kuru

371
00:13:29,590 --> 00:13:27,519
area south africa so it's very arid

372
00:13:31,110 --> 00:13:29,600
i've driven past that area when i was

373
00:13:34,310 --> 00:13:31,120
driving from

374
00:13:35,990 --> 00:13:34,320
zimbabwe all the way to cape town once

375
00:13:37,670 --> 00:13:36,000
and

376
00:13:39,829 --> 00:13:37,680
it's an absolutely aerodynamic it's

377
00:13:41,269 --> 00:13:39,839
almost like being on the moon in some

378
00:13:44,230 --> 00:13:41,279
respects

379
00:13:47,990 --> 00:13:44,240
with you know lots of rock

380
00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:48,000
the ground is quite dry most of the year

381
00:13:53,110 --> 00:13:50,320
and it's very hot you know it can get up

382
00:13:55,430 --> 00:13:53,120
to like 40 50 degrees at times

383
00:13:57,509 --> 00:13:55,440
wow it's in the summer it's really hot

384
00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:57,519
there but it does have rain and all that

385
00:14:03,670 --> 00:14:00,000
and the farmers they keep

386
00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:03,680
sheep and this i believe they even grow

387
00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:05,920
what they call garlic for some reason

388
00:14:12,310 --> 00:14:08,800
wow alex seems to grow healthy

389
00:14:14,710 --> 00:14:12,320
um so anyway it's a lot of sheep and

390
00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:14,720
that goes on there because it's just

391
00:14:17,990 --> 00:14:16,959
ideal kind of conditions for them for

392
00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:18,000
grazing

393
00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:20,240
right anyway um

394
00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:22,880
danny was walking

395
00:14:26,069 --> 00:14:24,160
to the farm

396
00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:26,079
from his farmhouse to

397
00:14:29,350 --> 00:14:27,120
to the

398
00:14:31,110 --> 00:14:29,360
the crowd where he kept the animals

399
00:14:32,870 --> 00:14:31,120
and on his way the early morning was

400
00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:32,880
slightly misty

401
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:35,040
and there was an embankment

402
00:14:40,629 --> 00:14:38,399
not far away which was protect

403
00:14:43,030 --> 00:14:40,639
the buildings nearby from any flooding

404
00:14:44,949 --> 00:14:43,040
from the dam that sometimes can happen

405
00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:44,959
during you know heavy rains and things

406
00:14:48,550 --> 00:14:46,480
like that so anyway he walked up the

407
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:48,560
embankment

408
00:14:53,310 --> 00:14:52,160
and he could see like a caravan about

409
00:14:56,150 --> 00:14:53,320
i think about

410
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:56,160
180 meters away

411
00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:58,079
um well he thought it was a caravan

412
00:15:03,269 --> 00:15:00,800
because he had prospectors

413
00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:03,279
uh from the government who or geologists

414
00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:04,720
from the government that sometimes used

415
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:06,160
to come there and

416
00:15:10,710 --> 00:15:08,959
analyze soil samples for uranium because

417
00:15:12,389 --> 00:15:10,720
apparently they found uranium in the

418
00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:12,399
area on his land

419
00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:13,680
so which is kind of interesting because

420
00:15:16,629 --> 00:15:15,040
i remember

421
00:15:18,629 --> 00:15:16,639
was mentioning

422
00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:18,639
you know something about uranium in

423
00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,800
zimbabwe yeah

424
00:15:25,910 --> 00:15:22,800
um

425
00:15:27,269 --> 00:15:25,920
so anyway he thought oh i'll have a

426
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:27,279
because he's never thought anything

427
00:15:31,749 --> 00:15:29,360
about it although the unusual thing was

428
00:15:33,509 --> 00:15:31,759
when they came on his land they would

429
00:15:34,230 --> 00:15:33,519
usually inform him that they were coming

430
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:34,240
to

431
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,560
do any sump sure

432
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:37,920
but he thought nothing of it and he

433
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:39,759
thought i'll just go over have a coffee

434
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:40,480
and

435
00:15:44,790 --> 00:15:42,800
say hello you know

436
00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:44,800
so as he got closer to the place he

437
00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:46,880
noticed it was a kind of very strange

438
00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:50,399
caravan because it was oval in shape

439
00:15:51,990 --> 00:15:50,850
and

440
00:15:53,829 --> 00:15:52,000
[Music]

441
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:53,839
he could see some people in the window

442
00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:56,000
as he got closer

443
00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:58,880
so as he got within 10

444
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:01,040
really quite close to this object

445
00:16:05,509 --> 00:16:03,680
you could see it was oval just standing

446
00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:05,519
on three legs

447
00:16:10,069 --> 00:16:07,519
and

448
00:16:11,829 --> 00:16:10,079
the beans or the people inside seem a

449
00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:11,839
little bit smaller than

450
00:16:17,189 --> 00:16:13,839
normal humans they were slim

451
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,199
they were wearing cream overalls with

452
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:19,839
some hood but the hood was pushed back

453
00:16:23,269 --> 00:16:21,279
right

454
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:23,279
and they seem to be busy two of them he

455
00:16:27,030 --> 00:16:24,639
said were

456
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:27,040
like discussing something

457
00:16:31,189 --> 00:16:29,440
one was holding some kind of instrument

458
00:16:33,509 --> 00:16:31,199
in his hand

459
00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,519
and the third one was that some kind of

460
00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:35,600
panel which he thought was a control

461
00:16:38,949 --> 00:16:37,199
panel because you could see

462
00:16:42,870 --> 00:16:38,959
triangular

463
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:42,880
lights flashing on this panel apparently

464
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:45,120
and as you got closer suddenly they all

465
00:16:49,350 --> 00:16:47,199
looked up at him like if there was some

466
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:49,360
kind of trigger that

467
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:52,240
to them all at the same time

468
00:16:56,790 --> 00:16:54,320
and

469
00:16:59,430 --> 00:16:56,800
there's a click on the side of the craft

470
00:17:02,550 --> 00:16:59,440
and a flap opened and a very intense

471
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,560
beam of light hit him in the eyes

472
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:04,799
which blinded him instantly he just had

473
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:07,439
to cover his hands with his you know cut

474
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:09,520
his face with his hands because he just

475
00:17:13,990 --> 00:17:11,199
couldn't see with the intensity of the

476
00:17:15,350 --> 00:17:14,000
lights and he fell down

477
00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:15,360
um

478
00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:18,079
and he kind of like tried to move away

479
00:17:22,549 --> 00:17:19,839
further from the object so the light

480
00:17:24,630 --> 00:17:22,559
wouldn't be shining and at the same time

481
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,640
you could hear the humming of the craft

482
00:17:27,590 --> 00:17:26,319
increasing

483
00:17:28,470 --> 00:17:27,600
um as

484
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:28,480
as

485
00:17:34,070 --> 00:17:32,080
there he could hear it i mean coming

486
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:34,080
faster and faster

487
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:36,160
taking off and you could see it

488
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:38,240
vibrating at the same time like if it

489
00:17:42,230 --> 00:17:40,320
was vibrating as it took off

490
00:17:44,789 --> 00:17:42,240
all the while these people in the craft

491
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:44,799
were actually just looking at him

492
00:17:48,390 --> 00:17:47,440
you know and then he said he just

493
00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:48,400
shot off

494
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:50,880
to the horizon in a few seconds

495
00:17:56,390 --> 00:17:53,200
wow um

496
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:56,400
so he was he was actually left

497
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:58,960
with a bloody nose

498
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:01,200
and he suffered

499
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:03,280
double vision from the event because

500
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:04,559
every time he saw

501
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:06,559
looked in the distance everything looked

502
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,799
double you know you guys trying seeing

503
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:10,480
things close up

504
00:18:14,870 --> 00:18:12,799
um and also his eyes were like sticking

505
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:14,880
together like you know when um sleepy

506
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:17,120
eye he called it it was like yeah

507
00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:18,559
yeah it's like you know when you got too

508
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:20,799
much mucus that dries up and your eyes

509
00:18:23,990 --> 00:18:21,919
can open

510
00:18:25,669 --> 00:18:24,000
yeah which he said he never had before

511
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:25,679
but after the events

512
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:26,880
this happened

513
00:18:30,390 --> 00:18:28,720
so it kind of

514
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:30,400
links into some of the biological

515
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:33,039
effects people encounter when they

516
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:34,880
you know approach these objects

517
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:36,160
absolutely

518
00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:38,240
um he said he found

519
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:40,840
soon after the crafted lifts on the

520
00:18:45,669 --> 00:18:43,840
ground like a pattern

521
00:18:48,150 --> 00:18:45,679
so let's see if i can

522
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,160
go to the next slide

523
00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:50,559
the next slide here shows danny van gran

524
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:51,760
you know

525
00:18:57,590 --> 00:18:53,520
on his land i can see in the background

526
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:57,600
if if it's clear enough um

527
00:19:03,510 --> 00:18:59,600
it's not changed for us

528
00:19:05,669 --> 00:19:03,520
no or is it still on the same slide yeah

529
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,679
okay how strange

530
00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:07,679
do you know what

531
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,919
i'm just trying to think what to do

532
00:19:15,590 --> 00:19:10,960
let's see

533
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:15,600
yes that works yeah okay that works okay

534
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,559
that's fine

535
00:19:19,510 --> 00:19:18,000
i'll do it that way

536
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,520
um

537
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:21,520
so this is danny

538
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:23,600
standing with a picture and you can see

539
00:19:28,870 --> 00:19:26,480
how arid the background is to imagine

540
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,880
you know with just some scrub bush

541
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,720
behind him

542
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,799
um

543
00:19:37,830 --> 00:19:34,799
so anyway he was

544
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,840
when he got up he found a pattern where

545
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,400
the craft had had been and

546
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:42,240
he saw some markings on the ground there

547
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:44,320
were two

548
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:47,200
areas of mark in the central marking

549
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:49,600
and then a marking just outside the

550
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,840
central markings

551
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:53,679
on this slide here

552
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:56,559
you can't see the the central mark

553
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,080
left by the craft

554
00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:00,000
and then on the right hand picture the

555
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:02,080
one of the four outer markings left by

556
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:03,120
the craft

557
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:04,000
wow

558
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:05,919
so this what it kind of looked like just

559
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,240
to make it clearer

560
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:10,480
so the center mark was like as you can

561
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:13,520
see here yeah and then the on the outer

562
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:15,360
edges there were four of these other

563
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,679
markings around it around the central

564
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:19,440
marking

565
00:20:24,710 --> 00:20:20,960
which was interesting

566
00:20:29,029 --> 00:20:26,710
so

567
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:29,039
anyway danny he found near the center

568
00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:30,559
some material

569
00:20:35,909 --> 00:20:32,840
like rock calls

570
00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:35,919
like he found like a glassy type

571
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:38,640
material almost looked like resin

572
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:39,440
okay

573
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:40,240
and

574
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,640
he showed cynthia this material

575
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,080
although sanji is a bit worried that

576
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:46,080
maybe this stuff was a bit radioactive

577
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:47,919
or something because his land had very

578
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,159
active and she didn't know

579
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:52,400
maybe these people were here

580
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:55,600
collecting you know uranium or something

581
00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,679
but apparently she sent it off for

582
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,760
analysis

583
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:00,720
and

584
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:03,120
it came back as nothing radioactive or

585
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,720
dangerous

586
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:06,480
some kind of resin

587
00:21:11,610 --> 00:21:08,640
and inside you could she said she could

588
00:21:12,789 --> 00:21:11,620
see some of the grass embedded in it

589
00:21:15,029 --> 00:21:12,799
[Music]

590
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,039
which was interesting so but it was

591
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:16,720
still hot to the touch then he said it

592
00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:19,280
was still hard to touch when he wow

593
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:20,799
so

594
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,480
it almost seems like they were doing

595
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:24,720
some kind of research in the area you

596
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:28,840
know what's research we don't know

597
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,000
um analyzing material maybe it had to do

598
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:33,600
something with the uranium or it could

599
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:38,950
um

600
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:42,880
he was a totally credible person he

601
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,520
never believed in ufos

602
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:47,200
his first impression when he saw the

603
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:53,510
he didn't even express it as a euphrates

604
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,559
it was this object on legs and it had

605
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,559
this i think he said he

606
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:00,320
didn't call them the windows over he

607
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,120
called them rings three rings

608
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,400
right there which he couldn't see the

609
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:08,159
bottom half of their body only could see

610
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:09,440
from

611
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,039
waist up i think

612
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:13,039
right

613
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,679
and that's why you could see like one

614
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,159
person holding the instrument

615
00:22:22,470 --> 00:22:20,559
he thought it was like either camera or

616
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,480
microscope but he wasn't sure what it

617
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,640
was um

618
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,799
and he's just trying to

619
00:22:30,070 --> 00:22:28,559
see if he could make some kind of sense

620
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,080
of what they were doing but he didn't

621
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:32,000
think they were aliens or anything he

622
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:33,280
thought

623
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,400
they might be

624
00:22:37,510 --> 00:22:36,480
maybe the russians were doing something

625
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,520
you know

626
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,880
and especially during that time of the

627
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,559
cold war people were suspicious of the

628
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,000
russians that maybe the russians had

629
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:44,720
made some kind of new technology

630
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,720
um so for him it's

631
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,480
initially it wasn't probably aliens it

632
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:50,960
was thing but then he you know i thought

633
00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:52,840
people said to me you know the russians

634
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,120
and you know americans don't even have

635
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,280
this kind of technology you know

636
00:23:00,950 --> 00:22:59,360
that's really strange because if he was

637
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:00,960
quite like he said he was quite close to

638
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:02,960
the object and he could see the three

639
00:23:09,029 --> 00:23:06,559
three beings let's say yes so if if no

640
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:09,039
strange like faces like you might see on

641
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,600
a grey alien stood out to him big black

642
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:13,760
eyes or anything like that

643
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:15,520
if nothing he didn't describe them as

644
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:16,559
men

645
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,640
very pale

646
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,039
high cheeks he said which with a very

647
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,960
like pointed chin

648
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,799
right and um

649
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:28,400
but he didn't say they

650
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:30,159
you know looked

651
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,320
so extreme that they weren't human

652
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:33,760
looking they were still kind of you

653
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:35,919
could say they were still human looking

654
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:38,080
because they're just slimmer

655
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,840
more demure

656
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,240
and um

657
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,039
and wearing the scream out um overall

658
00:23:48,870 --> 00:23:46,799
with the hood but the hoods were all

659
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,880
pulled back apparently yeah

660
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,679
um

661
00:23:54,870 --> 00:23:52,240
laura asks what year was this one again

662
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:54,880
this was in 1975

663
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:57,600
in july it's the end of july and this

664
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,679
photograph here of danny is this this

665
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,000
similar time so he was an old guy when

666
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:04,400
it happened yes it happened when years

667
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:06,400
older yes right that's really

668
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:08,799
interesting and did cynthia

669
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:11,679
get to the location to investigate yes

670
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,480
she went out there um she the time she

671
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,159
went out i think it was a few months

672
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:18,640
later right she had to travel drive all

673
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,320
the way from zimbabwe which was quite a

674
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:22,480
long trip at the time yeah

675
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,279
she stayed in a town not far away a

676
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:26,960
night before and before going the

677
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:29,039
following morning to meet them

678
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:30,320
meet him

679
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,080
and she's described as just 49 degrees

680
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,480
it was so hot on the day

681
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,960
and um but you know

682
00:24:41,990 --> 00:24:40,720
and then she went up to have a chat with

683
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,000
him you know

684
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:43,440
interesting

685
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,559
yeah

686
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:46,640
although the the evidence here where the

687
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:48,320
markings i think these might have

688
00:24:51,909 --> 00:24:49,840
actually come the photographs of the

689
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:51,919
markings were actually initially from

690
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:54,240
the newspaper who got there

691
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:55,679
much sooner

692
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,679
you know those photos that you used in

693
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,880
our book

694
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,960
that's interesting so it wasn't the the

695
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:02,720
witness himself it was actually someone

696
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,760
else so

697
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:05,039
that's that's really interesting because

698
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,400
we obviously we've got the eyewitness

699
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,559
we've got physical evidence we've got

700
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:10,880
biological effects i mean that's three

701
00:25:16,470 --> 00:25:13,520
points of reference for evidence that's

702
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,480
yeah and plus he could actually see the

703
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:18,960
actual beings themselves you know yeah

704
00:25:24,390 --> 00:25:19,679
no

705
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,400
apart from him triggering something so

706
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,640
they all looked up suddenly

707
00:25:30,310 --> 00:25:28,960
realizing that there was an intruder

708
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:30,320
nearby

709
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:32,480
and it set up

710
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,159
some kind of security system that

711
00:25:37,510 --> 00:25:36,480
blinded him you know the intense light

712
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:37,520
you know

713
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:40,640
what the light was we don't know

714
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:43,520
but clearly affected him um

715
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,080
from then on you know with his eyes with

716
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,520
the double vision

717
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,840
and the sleepy eye effect every time he

718
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:51,360
woke up in the morning he found it very

719
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,240
difficult to open his eyes ever since

720
00:25:58,070 --> 00:25:56,080
oh really so that it lasted quite a long

721
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:58,080
time the effect oh yeah it was kind of

722
00:26:02,470 --> 00:26:00,559
like a permanent thing he had after that

723
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,480
wow

724
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,240
that's that's incredible that that's a

725
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,480
fascinating case

726
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:07,919
i mean i like these kind of cases

727
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:10,159
because it's the cognitive a

728
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,799
whole collection of evidence yeah you

729
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,360
see the craft you see the people you see

730
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:17,279
markings on the ground

731
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:18,320
and also

732
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:19,600
the other thing

733
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:22,559
he noticed was even some time afterwards

734
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,799
the animals the sheep

735
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:27,039
would go round

736
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:29,279
the area where the craft had landed and

737
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:30,559
left the mark

738
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:32,080
so

739
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:33,919
even the grass wouldn't grow there very

740
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:36,640
well you know any kind of vegetation you

741
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,480
know failed to grow

742
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:40,799
so this mark stayed there for some time

743
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,279
and the animals even avoided going over

744
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,720
it they were like

745
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,200
he said he he like chased the sheep one

746
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:49,120
way and they would go round it and then

747
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:52,400
he just to confirm that he wasn't a

748
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,440
fluke

749
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,360
chased them back and they went round it

750
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:56,640
again you know

751
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,440
so for him that was interesting you know

752
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,320
like if the animal sent something

753
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,080
under there maybe it had some kind of

754
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:06,240
magnetic effect on the ground who knows

755
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:07,120
yeah

756
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,799
did it ever get tested for radiation

757
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:10,080
effects or anything like that do you

758
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:12,159
know

759
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:13,200
not

760
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:17,919
right um the only

761
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:19,679
material that was

762
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,279
radiation was the sample he gave cynthia

763
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,350
and the

764
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,440
resin type material that they found

765
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,360
there and what did that come up with

766
00:27:35,990 --> 00:27:33,120
after analysis

767
00:27:37,190 --> 00:27:36,000
i'm trying to think what it was

768
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:37,200
don't worry too much if you don't

769
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:38,480
remember that's okay

770
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:39,440
yeah

771
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,399
but i know there was nothing like of

772
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,360
concern in terms of the material itself

773
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,039
yeah you know except like it was almost

774
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:48,559
like it was manufactured

775
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:51,600
on the spot because according to

776
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,480
to him it was still warm to the touch

777
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,399
you know and it seems a bit of an

778
00:28:00,870 --> 00:27:58,640
unusual material to find in that area as

779
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,880
well absolutely yeah for sure

780
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:03,440
yeah so that was quite an interesting

781
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:04,799
one

782
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,590
i mean

783
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:13,029
and these are the

784
00:28:18,070 --> 00:28:15,120
kind of cases cynthia liked because a

785
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:18,080
lot of the phone calls and reports she

786
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,399
got were always lights in the sky

787
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,000
and they were difficult to judge you

788
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:24,480
know um we still get it today i see it

789
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,919
on some

790
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,919
social media saying i saw this light it

791
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,840
was moving across it looked very strange

792
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,159
you know it was changing color

793
00:28:36,149 --> 00:28:34,000
and that's it you know it's just so

794
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,159
difficult to judge those what they could

795
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,399
be you know they might look interesting

796
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:40,080
but

797
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:41,360
there's nothing

798
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:43,600
definite to grasp on whereas this kind

799
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:44,799
of case

800
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,120
the witness was virtually

801
00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,159
just five meters from the craft

802
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:52,880
saw the beans

803
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:55,200
had an effect there was an environmental

804
00:28:59,990 --> 00:28:57,600
effect as well you know so that's yeah

805
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,000
that made it more interesting

806
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,159
absolutely

807
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:04,080
i'm sorry i just jumped back because

808
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:06,080
what i'll do is um just for i think

809
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,679
you're ready for i mean the next slide

810
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,679
is the next case am i right yeah that's

811
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,679
right so i won't leave it on the images

812
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,440
for too long because once you're talking

813
00:29:18,710 --> 00:29:15,600
and no it's better i think people to see

814
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,720
you talking and then we can flip between

815
00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:20,640
i when i go to the next case now what

816
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,159
i'll do is i'll just show you on the map

817
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,000
where that is in this case is in

818
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,559
zimbabwe

819
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:28,960
the laura shell case

820
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,830
as you can see from the map there it's

821
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:37,600
on the

822
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,320
zimbabwe bordering with mozambique yes

823
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:46,559
just slightly north of the town of

824
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:47,919
muttari

825
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,799
right

826
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:50,640
and this case occurred in

827
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,080
august 81 1981

828
00:30:01,840 --> 00:29:56,880
around early evening or late afternoon

829
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:03,029
[Music]

830
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:04,799
the main witness that cynthia

831
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:07,360
interviewed there was clifford

832
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,559
clifford muchanna

833
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,080
who was the main witness

834
00:30:19,269 --> 00:30:16,870
what they basically saw they saw this

835
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:19,279
ball of

836
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:20,399
light

837
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,799
basically and

838
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:24,880
it was almost like a flaming ball they

839
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,960
said it was just rolling and then as it

840
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,399
was drawing is growing bigger it

841
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:30,080
originated first it seemed to have

842
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,080
started in the tree

843
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:34,080
it came rolling down

844
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,679
and then it rolled up

845
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,600
on the building on the second slide

846
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,440
you'll see there's a little child is in

847
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,440
an observation tower

848
00:30:46,789 --> 00:30:45,120
right

849
00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:46,799
and

850
00:30:54,870 --> 00:30:53,360
the tower seemed like it was on fire

851
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:54,880
so he ran

852
00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:58,000
to ring the emergency bell

853
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,679
indicating that maybe there's a fire

854
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,519
there's a fire because it gave the

855
00:31:06,070 --> 00:31:03,519
impression of a fire but this strange

856
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,080
ball was rolling and inside the building

857
00:31:11,509 --> 00:31:08,320
at the top and then it rolled down the

858
00:31:14,470 --> 00:31:11,519
wall like it was climbing it almost wow

859
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:17,029
near the buildings the main buildings

860
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,509
and as it passed he went to follow it

861
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,159
and he saw

862
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,320
what he said looked like three

863
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:29,919
to four

864
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:31,600
men

865
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:34,480
with these with their backs to him

866
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,760
looking at this ball of fire you know

867
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,440
was he wanted and he thought oh these

868
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:41,279
are men coming to

869
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:42,399
uh

870
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:44,240
you know look at the fire or fight the

871
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:46,640
fire or something like that yeah

872
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:52,870
so and he called out to i think his boss

873
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:54,320
um

874
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,640
on the property and he said uh i forget

875
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,880
his name

876
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:01,360
but anyway he called the guy out

877
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,559
and

878
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,640
these beans turned round but he said

879
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,640
they turned around in a very strange way

880
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,159
and they also looked at but they dress

881
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:09,760
looked a bit funny

882
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,880
he said

883
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:12,799
because when he called out his boss's

884
00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:16,799
name they turned in a very stiff manner

885
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:18,799
in a very slow stiff manner towards him

886
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,039
and as they faced him

887
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,480
you couldn't actually see their face he

888
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:24,799
was also hit by a intense bright light

889
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,760
in his

890
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,880
eyes

891
00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:28,799
again kind of similar to what happened

892
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:29,600
in

893
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,120
luxem

894
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,679
with this very intense light

895
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,360
and

896
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,840
since you asked him so how were these uh

897
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,080
people dressed you know

898
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:42,799
and he said well at first he thought

899
00:32:47,190 --> 00:32:44,399
there were people coming

900
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,200
to the property to see his boss and they

901
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:49,600
were tending to you know put out the

902
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,640
fire

903
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,799
right this strange ball that was running

904
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:53,919
around

905
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,399
apparently all the a lot of the workers

906
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,720
around the area where this was happening

907
00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,799
where this ball was moving around they

908
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:02,320
all ran into the bush they were just

909
00:33:07,830 --> 00:33:05,440
terrified when they saw this thing

910
00:33:10,149 --> 00:33:07,840
and but he thought it was

911
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,159
a fire in the building so he was trying

912
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,960
to call um for help from the other

913
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,039
workers to see if they can maybe put it

914
00:33:18,149 --> 00:33:16,640
out

915
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,159
and cynthia asked him so how were they

916
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:20,240
dressed what made you think that it

917
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,840
wasn't your boss and all that he said

918
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,640
well they were kind of just funny in uh

919
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,039
shiny white outfit

920
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,120
and cynthia just

921
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:31,360
you know like an overall he said like a

922
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:33,039
shiny white oval

923
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:33,919
yeah

924
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:34,799
you know

925
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,320
try to ask in more detail about this

926
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:40,799
material that they were wearing

927
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:43,760
and he pulled out a coin from his pocket

928
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,440
and it was a

929
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:48,000
zimbabwe i think 20 p

930
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,840
20 cent piece which is silver

931
00:33:55,029 --> 00:33:52,720
because in the language they don't have

932
00:33:57,350 --> 00:33:55,039
a word for silver

933
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,360
so he was saying a shiny white and he

934
00:34:01,509 --> 00:33:59,360
said it looked like that

935
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,519
so in other words it was silver

936
00:34:03,990 --> 00:34:02,960
encounters

937
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,000
color

938
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,559
or overall

939
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,800
um and he couldn't see any facial

940
00:34:13,430 --> 00:34:10,560
features because he was hit by this

941
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,440
intense light when they turned around

942
00:34:17,030 --> 00:34:15,200
and um

943
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,040
he said he just fell on the ground was

944
00:34:20,869 --> 00:34:18,639
laying on his side

945
00:34:21,990 --> 00:34:20,879
cowering in fear

946
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:22,000
and

947
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,200
the men disappeared or the beans

948
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,919
disappeared wherever they were

949
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,760
did he ever did he report any biological

950
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,079
effects from the light in that case he

951
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,720
didn't he didn't afterwards he seemed

952
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,119
fine apart from being terrified

953
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,720
yeah it's like the funny thing that when

954
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,480
the light hit him

955
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:45,040
it felt more like a force than

956
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:46,720
because he said was it the fear that

957
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,599
made you fall to the ground or was it

958
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,679
something else you know he said he felt

959
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,280
like there was something more to it he

960
00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,960
felt

961
00:34:58,710 --> 00:34:57,200
dizzy uh sick

962
00:35:01,109 --> 00:34:58,720
kind of feeling

963
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,119
you know and

964
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:03,280
after the light disappeared he he said

965
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,200
he you're so terrified he called on his

966
00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:08,000
hands and knees away you know

967
00:35:13,910 --> 00:35:11,200
everything that kind of went back to

968
00:35:16,150 --> 00:35:13,920
being dark again you know yeah

969
00:35:17,950 --> 00:35:16,160
um

970
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,960
eunice the lady on the bottom

971
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:19,119
[Music]

972
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:22,000
uh left of this photograph

973
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,040
she

974
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:27,430
the beans

975
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,320
but further away she's from her point of

976
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,720
view she could see that

977
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:34,800
the object started in the tree and was

978
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,599
rolling around before clifford clifford

979
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:39,119
saw it

980
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,560
and they might call she saw

981
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,800
what they she thought was like a torch

982
00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:46,960
in their hand that looked like a torch

983
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,800
it was but it was a little bit longer

984
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,720
than what she would have thought was a

985
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,920
torch

986
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:53,760
right so i don't know if that's what

987
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:55,040
they were shining

988
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:57,520
uh clifford's face

989
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:59,839
you know that blinded him

990
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,839
and then she said as

991
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:03,520
she was watching the ball moving around

992
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:05,920
and looked back and the lights went

993
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:08,400
but also the beans disappeared so you

994
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:10,240
didn't actually see them where they went

995
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:13,440
they just were gone you know sure yeah

996
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,680
so it was a very strange case you know

997
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:17,520
with this rolling ball that was climbing

998
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:20,480
the wall and you know bouncing around

999
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:22,720
and doing all kinds of weird things

1000
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,960
i mean cynthia

1001
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:26,880
you know there was theories that

1002
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:29,680
maybe it was um

1003
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,920
you know swamp gas you know some gas

1004
00:36:35,589 --> 00:36:33,680
always came up at those days you know

1005
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,599
because it was such a big thing was

1006
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:37,280
coming up because there was some kind of

1007
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,320
rotting

1008
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,640
it was like i don't know if there was a

1009
00:36:44,550 --> 00:36:42,480
lake or something nearby with the

1010
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,560
watching vegetation so they thought no

1011
00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:46,320
maybe

1012
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:49,280
methane built up underneath

1013
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,000
and she inquired with a professor in

1014
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,240
zimbabwe but the professor said it's a

1015
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:57,040
bit odd for me thing to move around

1016
00:37:02,470 --> 00:37:00,079
yeah those kind of things maneuvers

1017
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,480
and be so intense usually it'll just go

1018
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:05,040
in a puff and explode you know just like

1019
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,240
a flash

1020
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,160
yeah that's the thing it doesn't move it

1021
00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,400
doesn't work it doesn't maintain its

1022
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,920
shape or grow

1023
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:14,079
and change colors as this object was

1024
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,280
doing and

1025
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,760
moving the building climb up the walls

1026
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:19,440
go around the building

1027
00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:20,320
you know

1028
00:37:23,190 --> 00:37:22,400
causing no burn marks nothing there was

1029
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:23,200
no

1030
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:26,079
effect from this object on anything

1031
00:37:29,030 --> 00:37:28,000
so after it disappeared there was no

1032
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:29,040
trace

1033
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,200
not a choice of it

1034
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,680
apart from the what the witnesses saw of

1035
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:37,520
course yeah yeah

1036
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:41,200
um so two of the witnesses saw the beans

1037
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:42,400
um

1038
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,800
on further inquiry

1039
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,160
you know they

1040
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,079
because a lot of the rural people in

1041
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:50,400
zimbabwe are not really aware of

1042
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:53,280
technology and space and all those kind

1043
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,640
of things you know

1044
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:57,040
so a lot of them were superstitious of

1045
00:38:02,950 --> 00:37:59,599
what these could mean and a lot of them

1046
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,870
their ancestors because there's a lot of

1047
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,760
ancestral belief in africa particularly

1048
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:09,760
in zimbabwe southern africa

1049
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,720
yeah

1050
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:12,480
um so when they see these kind of

1051
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,880
extraordinary events they associated

1052
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:17,359
with spirits

1053
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,839
and ancestry you know their ancestors

1054
00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:21,760
came and did something miraculous or

1055
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:23,200
something

1056
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,560
so he was saying oh these are my

1057
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,640
ancestors and since he said but surely

1058
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:28,960
your ancestors would be wearing

1059
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:32,240
you know animal skin and you know things

1060
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,240
that you would associate

1061
00:38:37,829 --> 00:38:36,640
from the past of course and you know

1062
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:37,839
clifford's

1063
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,640
you know

1064
00:38:41,830 --> 00:38:40,960
in a strange kind of logic set but times

1065
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:41,840
change

1066
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:44,320
[Laughter]

1067
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,200
you know

1068
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:47,119
and even when cynthia explained to me

1069
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:48,000
you know

1070
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:49,680
they are astronauts that have been on

1071
00:38:52,630 --> 00:38:50,720
the moon

1072
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,640
she he just laughed and said no there's

1073
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:55,200
no such thing no no one can ever step on

1074
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:58,560
the moon except god you know wow so it

1075
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,560
just shows

1076
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:01,920
you know you follow you know if you want

1077
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,560
to talk about ufos in africa it's

1078
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,040
it doesn't you know exist as that you

1079
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,640
know it's almost it's more of a

1080
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,640
spiritual ancestral

1081
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:12,640
belief system you know

1082
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,040
yeah and you know if your ancestors are

1083
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:17,440
wearing silver

1084
00:39:23,190 --> 00:39:20,480
suits you know um overalls and

1085
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,200
shiny beams in your your eyes and

1086
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:25,359
craft they associated us

1087
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:28,720
with um ancestors you know i mean in

1088
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:32,079
zimbabwe i've heard they called

1089
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,920
ufos not flying saucers they call them

1090
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:36,079
flying baskets because a lot of the

1091
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,599
women

1092
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:40,560
make these baskets out of reeds

1093
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:41,520
right

1094
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,560
and then and they look like bowls

1095
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,480
and they're the same shape as we call

1096
00:39:49,750 --> 00:39:48,320
flying saucers but they are like bowls

1097
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,760
but a reed so they call them flying

1098
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:51,040
baskets

1099
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,839
wow

1100
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,680
i mean it makes sense of course yeah

1101
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,599
they because they just trying to relate

1102
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,280
to what they see in their daily life

1103
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,520
what this object looked like since

1104
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:01,920
and they look like that of course yeah

1105
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,839
but we hear things as well from a lot of

1106
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,359
south american countries where they talk

1107
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:07,520
about seeing strange things and they

1108
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:08,880
always put it back

1109
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,760
if it can't be explained to ancestral

1110
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,520
you know entities or

1111
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,000
or you know a really spiritual

1112
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,480
you know answer to what it is so yeah

1113
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,280
yeah i i mean that makes sense so yeah

1114
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,680
yeah i mean people will always go back

1115
00:40:27,510 --> 00:40:25,119
with

1116
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,520
what they can ex relate to you know

1117
00:40:30,470 --> 00:40:28,640
beats

1118
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,480
um

1119
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:32,000
what they learned through life you know

1120
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:33,280
through their parents through the

1121
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:34,560
culture

1122
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:36,160
and they bring that to the table as the

1123
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:38,079
logical conclusion of what they thought

1124
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,280
it was if

1125
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:41,040
if they can't put it in a box they'll

1126
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,359
put it into the box of you know it's

1127
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,599
ancestors ghosts

1128
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,200
those kind of things you know yeah

1129
00:40:51,750 --> 00:40:49,839
something that makes sense to them yeah

1130
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:51,760
somewhere where they can actually put it

1131
00:40:58,309 --> 00:40:54,000
away you know so it doesn't disturb

1132
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,319
people you know yeah um and yeah so

1133
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,040
they thought it was ghosts or ancestors

1134
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,440
they relate that to

1135
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,280
fascinating does that should absolutely

1136
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:07,680
a fascinating place for cynthia

1137
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,550
this the area

1138
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,880
is not far away from mount inangani

1139
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,720
which is in the north just slightly

1140
00:41:22,710 --> 00:41:20,880
north of la rochelle if i'm right

1141
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,720
right and martini and ghani is often

1142
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,280
associated with a lot of disappearances

1143
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,079
of people who go up there

1144
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,760
and

1145
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:31,359
i uh

1146
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:32,839
there was a famous

1147
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:34,880
case whereby

1148
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:38,560
i think two two girls on a school trip

1149
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:40,880
disappeared up there

1150
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,160
and they and they were part of a

1151
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:46,400
children were part of a very important

1152
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,760
you know parents were involved in the

1153
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:51,440
ministry in government

1154
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,599
so it was a big case because the

1155
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:55,839
children just disappeared here

1156
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:59,119
strange and even if i think

1157
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:01,280
a couple of years after that as an

1158
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,079
indian tourist that disappeared

1159
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:06,560
and there was also cases where people

1160
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:09,839
went up and the mist came down

1161
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,200
and

1162
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,920
they thought they were there just for a

1163
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,359
few hours

1164
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:17,359
only to discover they were away for a

1165
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,960
few days it was almost like

1166
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:22,800
it's a huge

1167
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,319
skin walk off

1168
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,640
yeah yeah you know strange things were

1169
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,960
happening in indiangani you know

1170
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,560
moment is there much research be done on

1171
00:42:34,470 --> 00:42:32,560
that mountain then with regards to the

1172
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:34,480
missing cases

1173
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:36,880
there's just been mostly the reports of

1174
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:39,599
all these people disappearing right

1175
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,000
and a lot of them associated from

1176
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,400
past ancestors that moved into the area

1177
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,680
and

1178
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:50,480
strangely enough there's a big

1179
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,720
belief in mermaids if you can believe

1180
00:42:56,309 --> 00:42:54,960
this in zimbabwe

1181
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,319
you know

1182
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:59,200
um which live in the pools and rivers

1183
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:00,640
and lakes

1184
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:02,880
in the region

1185
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:04,400
where these creatures come out of the

1186
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,680
water

1187
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,480
and interact with people or take people

1188
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,400
and people disappear and all that kind

1189
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:12,400
of stuff

1190
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:15,280
wow that's amazing i love i mean

1191
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:16,400
and i guess these are things that are

1192
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,000
passed down through generations as well

1193
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,920
these stories like you say mermaids and

1194
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,520
things like that so

1195
00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:23,520
i guess to people out there it's not you

1196
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:24,839
know to us in my

1197
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:28,240
sound strange and hard to believe but if

1198
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,319
it's passed down generation after

1199
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:31,920
generation and it becomes the normal

1200
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:35,200
conversation and and law let's say

1201
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:36,640
then yeah that's

1202
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,079
and even though it's

1203
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,880
i remember my grandmother telling me

1204
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:43,359
when she was talking to her

1205
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,839
because she was from zimbabwe herself

1206
00:43:49,349 --> 00:43:47,599
because she knew a lot of the stories of

1207
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,359
the area where she lived and all that

1208
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,560
kind of thing

1209
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,160
and

1210
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,800
when she grew up there there was a story

1211
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,480
about

1212
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,599
the girl that was taken into a tunnel

1213
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:01,599
who disappeared was taken by an old man

1214
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,560
and disappeared in the caves

1215
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,079
and when she came back people asked

1216
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,480
where were you and she wouldn't say

1217
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:10,400
because she said if i tell you i would

1218
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,599
die you know

1219
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:13,520
but that's harassing her according to

1220
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,760
the story they kept harassing the girl

1221
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,000
and she said well eventually she gave up

1222
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,760
and told them that

1223
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,400
she was taken to this underground system

1224
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:25,280
and it was almost like a city

1225
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:27,119
with lights where people were growing

1226
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,839
fruit and vegetables and it was huge on

1227
00:44:32,309 --> 00:44:30,960
the ground

1228
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:32,319
wow

1229
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:33,200
you know

1230
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:39,119
about the tic tac going under the sea

1231
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,560
and you hear all these things about

1232
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,160
under the ocean

1233
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,640
and bases possible bases you know

1234
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:47,280
alleged bases under the ocean or

1235
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,359
underground

1236
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:51,440
and you also hear about the

1237
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:53,599
missing 400 you know those cases when

1238
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,680
they go to national parks and all those

1239
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,680
things oh yeah you think

1240
00:45:01,510 --> 00:44:59,680
and you say indian ghani people

1241
00:45:02,829 --> 00:45:01,520
disappear

1242
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,839
you know no

1243
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:04,400
trace

1244
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:06,079
it's you kind of think maybe there are

1245
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,839
places in the world where these you know

1246
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:09,040
bases are

1247
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:10,560
happening you know because zimbabwe on

1248
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,000
the eastern highlands it's got some of

1249
00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,599
the oldest

1250
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,520
stable rocks in the world i think

1251
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,280
they're like 4 billion years 3 billion

1252
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:20,240
years old it's not very stable

1253
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,000
so who knows

1254
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:24,000
who knows i love that though that's the

1255
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,119
thing it's you can't say it

1256
00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:28,640
isn't possible because there's no

1257
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:32,079
evidence to suggest it isn't and i mean

1258
00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:33,280
it's it's one of them where you just

1259
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:34,480
have to kind of

1260
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,599
take it as as what it is and you know

1261
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:39,040
leave it on the table because we only

1262
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:41,920
got the the stories from

1263
00:45:46,589 --> 00:45:44,319
you know the local culture people who

1264
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,599
live in the area yeah and because

1265
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,520
accessibility and of course

1266
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,760
issues of getting

1267
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,000
in zimbabwe to do research it's harder

1268
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,160
to get to so these mysteries maintain

1269
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:58,240
you know without proper scientific

1270
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,440
research you know until that can happen

1271
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:03,440
one day you know those mysteries will

1272
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:04,800
continue

1273
00:46:07,430 --> 00:46:06,480
yeah absolutely

1274
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:07,440
yeah

1275
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,480
it's

1276
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:10,640
mind-blowing i love it i absolutely love

1277
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:14,640
it yeah it's a great conversation

1278
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,040
let me go on to the next story

1279
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,880
and this one

1280
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,560
if i show it on the map

1281
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:22,560
this is the story story of peter and

1282
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:26,240
francis on the road to bike bridge now

1283
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:30,079
i've marked the route here from harare

1284
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:32,000
in the north all the way

1285
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:33,839
down to the south of zimbabwe at the

1286
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,680
border south africa

1287
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:36,720
right

1288
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:39,680
and it's about 600 kilometers long

1289
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:44,240
or 373 miles i think it is

1290
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,440
and

1291
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:46,400
they

1292
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,839
um 23 and 21 i believe years old right

1293
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,119
those age

1294
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,119
this happened in

1295
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:57,760
probably the early 70s you know it could

1296
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,400
have been 1970 or 1971 i haven't had a

1297
00:47:07,589 --> 00:47:04,800
definite year for that but i know they

1298
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,599
came forward in 74

1299
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,520
to a newspaper when

1300
00:47:13,190 --> 00:47:11,599
they saw a report about ufos when they

1301
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:13,200
were in south africa so they were brave

1302
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,319
enough to come forward and talk about it

1303
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,480
anyway their case

1304
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:20,000
started out in the very

1305
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,559
early mornings probably midnight because

1306
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:24,400
they wanted to drive through the night

1307
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:26,480
all the way down to the border

1308
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,559
so by the time they got to the border

1309
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,640
which would roughly take them a couple

1310
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:32,480
of hours it'd be early morning maybe

1311
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,200
like

1312
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:35,040
six o'clock

1313
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,880
uh they could you know get through the

1314
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,480
border quite quickly without getting

1315
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,040
into queue so they decided to drive at

1316
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:43,520
night in the early hours

1317
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,000
about from midnight onwards

1318
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:47,839
so

1319
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,240
they traveled all the way to

1320
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:52,400
imvuma which is about

1321
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:53,520
maybe

1322
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:57,839
180 kilometers south of harare

1323
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:59,599
um

1324
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:01,599
it passed through there and then soon

1325
00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:04,000
after passing through there they noticed

1326
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:06,559
what they said was

1327
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,559
in the distance which seemed like on a

1328
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,280
hill uh light and i said oh there's

1329
00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:12,800
someone up

1330
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,119
quite late you know because by the time

1331
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:17,520
they got there it was

1332
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:19,520
quarter plus two they said

1333
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:20,640
right

1334
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,240
in the morning a.m

1335
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:25,359
and i thought oh someone's up quite late

1336
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:27,760
um they continued and they passed

1337
00:48:31,430 --> 00:48:29,520
through in rumor

1338
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:31,440
and when they're about 10

1339
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,559
or 12 kilometers out of the town

1340
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,680
they noticed that this object

1341
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:39,359
was rotating similar to like a

1342
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,880
lighthouse they described like a

1343
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:42,880
lighthouse and they realized it wasn't

1344
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:44,720
on top of the hill because this area is

1345
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:45,920
very flat

1346
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,960
so they assumed it was a helicopter now

1347
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,440
it's a helicopter but then this object

1348
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,280
started following them and came over the

1349
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,960
car

1350
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,400
and

1351
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,400
the car lights dimmed

1352
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:00,240
the dashboards dimmed

1353
00:49:05,670 --> 00:49:03,280
the car kept going right

1354
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:05,680
he still could see because the intense

1355
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,920
light of the object above them that you

1356
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:10,000
know that was flying above them

1357
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,040
sure

1358
00:49:13,930 --> 00:49:12,720
and

1359
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,940
slowly um

1360
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:15,119
[Music]

1361
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:17,119
he lost control of the car completely

1362
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,119
and the car was just driving itself

1363
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:20,640
basically

1364
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:23,599
he he couldn't accelerate he couldn't

1365
00:49:27,349 --> 00:49:25,280
turn it anyway whatever he did it didn't

1366
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,359
do anything it was just

1367
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:29,359
controlling itself like it was

1368
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:31,040
controlled by an invisible person he

1369
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,160
said

1370
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,520
wow and it was following the road

1371
00:49:39,990 --> 00:49:37,359
traveling

1372
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,000
it was so bizarre

1373
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:42,480
you know if you had to listen to at that

1374
00:49:44,610 --> 00:49:44,240
time you think these are nutters you

1375
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:44,620
know

1376
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,079
[Laughter]

1377
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,400
anyway the car was being

1378
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,240
was going along and he said he was going

1379
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:52,640
faster and faster and faster and

1380
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,079
he was a bit frightened to tell his wife

1381
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:58,000
that you know i don't have control of

1382
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,960
the car

1383
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,079
but he

1384
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,920
but she got concerned and said why are

1385
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:03,440
we going faster and faster and says i

1386
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:06,079
don't have control of the car oh no

1387
00:50:10,790 --> 00:50:09,920
so she was really uh upset and you know

1388
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:10,800
you know

1389
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:13,119
anxious and all that what was going on

1390
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,079
right

1391
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:15,920
and as they were driving they came

1392
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:17,359
across

1393
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:20,160
you know these empty buses that were lit

1394
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,599
up you know

1395
00:50:26,549 --> 00:50:23,599
two of them you saw one but when you saw

1396
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:26,559
a second one you said it was so bizarre

1397
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,359
and then as they were driving

1398
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:31,680
they got up to miss winger and the cross

1399
00:50:34,950 --> 00:50:33,920
like left them

1400
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,960
you know

1401
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:37,599
so they got to a service station

1402
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,119
put a bit of fuel because they had

1403
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:41,680
traveled from harare all the way down

1404
00:50:47,829 --> 00:50:45,440
yeah put a bit of fuel fill the tank up

1405
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,839
but they also had it was freezing while

1406
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:49,920
this this object was on controlling

1407
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:52,079
their car so they were actually frozen

1408
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,280
so they were grabbing like pullovers uh

1409
00:51:02,150 --> 00:50:59,359
the mat even you know they're just so

1410
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,160
cold in the car you know wow

1411
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:04,079
um so there was some kind of effect from

1412
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:05,920
the craft above them that it made them

1413
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:07,599
freeze you know

1414
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:09,359
also makes me think

1415
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:11,200
a lot of these ufos when they film them

1416
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,960
in infrared they're actually colder than

1417
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:15,440
the environment around them absolutely

1418
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,960
yeah yeah

1419
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,960
uh so anyway

1420
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:20,720
they decided to continue and as soon as

1421
00:51:25,030 --> 00:51:23,200
they were leaving not long after leaving

1422
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,040
the swingo

1423
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,319
they spotted two of these craft now

1424
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,160
yeah and

1425
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,319
shortly after the craft one of the craft

1426
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,240
came right above them took control of

1427
00:51:38,950 --> 00:51:37,280
the car again and they were back in the

1428
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:38,960
same state

1429
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,800
basically they were just

1430
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:42,720
left helpless on this car just driving

1431
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,760
itself

1432
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,760
with this beam of light

1433
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:47,599
somehow controlling it but these they

1434
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:49,440
started noticing something very strange

1435
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,400
about the environment around them like

1436
00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:54,480
it started turning like it was almost

1437
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:56,000
like they were in a dream suddenly

1438
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,520
because the environment around and

1439
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,680
started turning very lush like

1440
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:01,520
tropical

1441
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,720
swamps

1442
00:52:06,870 --> 00:52:05,200
yet the region is very arid in this area

1443
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:06,880
very arid in the southern part of

1444
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,880
zimbabwe you know

1445
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:10,240
um

1446
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,040
so they were very confused

1447
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,960
um

1448
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,800
so by the time they just kind of like

1449
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,599
eventually can i say they were didn't

1450
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,200
know what was happening they lost sense

1451
00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,359
of time

1452
00:52:27,030 --> 00:52:25,359
and uh

1453
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:27,040
and they were just exhausted because

1454
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:27,839
like

1455
00:52:37,349 --> 00:52:29,680
they just couldn't do anything

1456
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,349
and they couldn't do anything

1457
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,520
so just before they got to

1458
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,359
the car got to bike bridge suddenly

1459
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,720
everything

1460
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:47,200
he got control of the car again

1461
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:48,079
and

1462
00:52:50,870 --> 00:52:49,920
the environment seemed like back to

1463
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:50,880
normal

1464
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,079
although just before they got there

1465
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,599
they could see it was getting lighter

1466
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:57,200
but they couldn't see any sun like the

1467
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,599
sun didn't exist

1468
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,200
so he thought they were somehow

1469
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:03,839
manipulating the environment to make you

1470
00:53:07,109 --> 00:53:04,800
know

1471
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:07,119
yeah yeah it was just weird and then

1472
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:08,480
obviously they

1473
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:09,839
were back on the ground because

1474
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:12,079
apparently he said they were

1475
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,520
like if they were off the ground or

1476
00:53:16,630 --> 00:53:15,040
something

1477
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:16,640
um

1478
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,160
got back on the ground in by bridge

1479
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,079
and they got the car and the comment

1480
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,839
from one of the people there says why

1481
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,920
are you wearing all those things on top

1482
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:27,520
of you you know they said they were

1483
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,520
frozen you know but they they said they

1484
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,760
dared not say what happened to them

1485
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,119
because they thought they'd be called

1486
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:35,839
mad you know crazy

1487
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:38,640
so anyway um

1488
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,160
they got through to the border etc etc

1489
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,880
um tried to fill the car up with fuel

1490
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,480
within two seconds

1491
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:48,480
the fuel gas got pushed out they had

1492
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:50,880
hardly used any fuel at all during that

1493
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,079
200 and the last 290 kilometers down

1494
00:53:57,030 --> 00:53:56,000
from his finger

1495
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:57,040
so

1496
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:02,319
the powers had no it on the meter for

1497
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,319
because he was measuring

1498
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,760
you know in the old cards you could set

1499
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,520
and set the dial so you can see how far

1500
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:10,000
you go absolutely yeah

1501
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:11,760
he looked on the dial and it only showed

1502
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,400
17 kilometers so they the car only moved

1503
00:54:19,349 --> 00:54:17,119
17 kilometers and somehow for the rest

1504
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:19,359
of the time it's

1505
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,480
it got to bite bits

1506
00:54:26,790 --> 00:54:24,800
you know so it could be the the crafted

1507
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:26,800
lifted the car you know even a small

1508
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,400
distance off the ground and controlled

1509
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,079
it or something

1510
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:31,599
wow

1511
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,079
so anyway um they left there that they

1512
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,720
got through and then years later they

1513
00:54:41,829 --> 00:54:38,799
when they saw uh there was a report of a

1514
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:41,839
ufo by a farmer in south africa

1515
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,480
they um were brave enough to go for you

1516
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:46,640
know go to the newspaper

1517
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:49,599
and the newspaper contacted a south

1518
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,640
african

1519
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:51,760
mufon

1520
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:53,359
investigator

1521
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:54,480
right

1522
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,000
who knew cynthia and

1523
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,640
he recorded cynthia asked asked him to

1524
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,720
record everything and send the report to

1525
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,200
her which she included in her book

1526
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,640
and

1527
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:08,799
because there was just so many gaps on

1528
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:10,880
their trip

1529
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:12,640
the investigator in south africa you

1530
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,680
know

1531
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,599
asked if they wouldn't mind

1532
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,240
being hypnotized regressive hypnosis

1533
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,640
sure i mean cynthia was like in two

1534
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,640
minds about you know the evidence that

1535
00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:24,000
would come out of it because you know

1536
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:30,470
people being influenced by the hypnosis

1537
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,920
process and suggestion of all those

1538
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:36,400
implanted memories yeah exactly so yeah

1539
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,319
but anyway because there are so much

1540
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:40,880
others other information they thought

1541
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,720
was missing they thought well

1542
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,640
we've got the

1543
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:47,599
written and stated story

1544
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:49,760
let's hear what comes out if anything

1545
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,240
from the hypnosis and it was quite

1546
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,470
when that period when they were

1547
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,880
going along the road to bike pitch they

1548
00:56:05,190 --> 00:56:03,599
described that

1549
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:05,200
they were left they were taken off the

1550
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,440
ground like you said

1551
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,319
but and this is probably explains why

1552
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:13,440
the scenery around them changed

1553
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:15,440
so dramatically from what they

1554
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:16,960
understood to be the zimbabwe

1555
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:20,079
environment you know dry red to suddenly

1556
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:21,920
swamp tropical

1557
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:23,200
was the

1558
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:24,480
they said there were some kind of

1559
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:27,680
screens put all on all the windows

1560
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:30,559
to simulate an exterior environment so

1561
00:56:36,069 --> 00:56:33,839
the craft could take the car

1562
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:36,079
and the occupants would still feel like

1563
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:37,200
they were

1564
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:44,230
some kind of simulation basically wow

1565
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,119
and that was this was in like 1970 so

1566
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:49,040
the simulation in those days wasn't

1567
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:50,319
unheard of

1568
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,359
not a regular conversation

1569
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,440
and um

1570
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:57,680
so they said they they were putting the

1571
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,880
simulation and they said during the

1572
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:02,559
during the um

1573
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,880
event there was a one bean on the back

1574
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:07,520
seat apparently

1575
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:09,920
uh controlling the whole event and the

1576
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:12,319
bean was communicating with them saying

1577
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:14,480
if you want me to look like

1578
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:16,400
anything i can look like anything if i

1579
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,319
want if you want me to look like a duck

1580
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:19,920
i can look like a duck if i want you

1581
00:57:23,670 --> 00:57:21,359
want me to look like a monster i can

1582
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,680
look like a monster right

1583
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,520
so in effect they could

1584
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,240
affect our direct conscious perception

1585
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,640
of them of how they looked

1586
00:57:35,030 --> 00:57:32,960
you know they could

1587
00:57:36,309 --> 00:57:35,040
you know we would perceive them as maybe

1588
00:57:39,270 --> 00:57:36,319
an animal

1589
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,280
or a monster and i always think of skin

1590
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,440
water they see these monsters you know

1591
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:43,680
these wolves and all that good

1592
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,160
manipulating people's minds

1593
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,640
how we perceive them and they they use

1594
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,720
them as a as a defense actually during

1595
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,160
the hypnosis

1596
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:54,000
they say how do you defend yourself they

1597
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,280
say

1598
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:56,720
it was almost like you were talking to

1599
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,200
the alien itself through them

1600
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:00,960
and

1601
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,799
they said um

1602
00:58:06,069 --> 00:58:05,200
by making us see

1603
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:06,079
what

1604
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:08,079
we wanted and see they'll say i look

1605
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,760
like a duck and they would look like a

1606
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:11,760
duck you know they almost got

1607
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,400
access to our visual cortex directly

1608
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:16,640
yeah to make it maybe

1609
00:58:18,549 --> 00:58:17,760
maybe it's like

1610
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,559
you know

1611
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:20,480
or projecting their worst fears or

1612
00:58:24,470 --> 00:58:22,079
something like that is like that's how

1613
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,480
they appear yeah so you don't actually

1614
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,480
see who they are they can just project

1615
00:58:31,349 --> 00:58:29,119
themselves into you as something else

1616
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:31,359
mundane you know it could be a cricket

1617
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:34,400
an owl or a door or something you know

1618
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:35,440
they

1619
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:44,400
[Music]

1620
00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:48,079
program they they say they program in us

1621
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:49,680
they're programming us

1622
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:52,240
so in a few hundred years time the earth

1623
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,559
will be a showpiece basically that's

1624
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,000
what he said

1625
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,880
wow and um

1626
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:00,240
and

1627
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:11,280
earth as clarks

1628
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,559
as

1629
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:15,119
ordinary people in society

1630
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:16,480
you know

1631
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,599
and they couldn't understand how

1632
00:59:24,069 --> 00:59:21,760
to these people you know they say what

1633
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:24,079
they do is they plant a bean within a

1634
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:24,880
bean

1635
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:26,640
they say it's not automatic the person

1636
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:27,920
has to be

1637
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:31,359
born grown up educated

1638
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,960
but these people are

1639
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:34,640
influence

1640
00:59:39,510 --> 00:59:37,280
indirectly other people to

1641
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,520
you know because they say humans like to

1642
00:59:43,750 --> 00:59:41,359
be praised and

1643
00:59:44,950 --> 00:59:43,760
be put on a pedestal so they provide

1644
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,960
that by

1645
00:59:49,750 --> 00:59:47,040
influencing other people

1646
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:49,760
feed the ego yes

1647
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,400
so by influencing other people through

1648
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:53,920
you know

1649
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:55,520
through these agents whatever you want

1650
00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:56,880
to call them

1651
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:58,079
um

1652
01:00:02,549 --> 00:59:59,760
they can disguise themselves in our

1653
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,870
and yeah what else

1654
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,200
and they ask how do they travel here you

1655
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,200
know was one of the questions they said

1656
01:00:13,750 --> 01:00:11,359
they don't travel

1657
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,760
from a to b

1658
01:00:18,390 --> 01:00:15,119
you know

1659
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:18,400
they travel back in time to get to earth

1660
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,000
and then they have to go forward in time

1661
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,760
to get to another place

1662
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:24,480
distance is not calculated in

1663
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:26,720
distance it's calculated in time for

1664
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:29,680
some reason they travel

1665
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,720
i don't know how back in time to get to

1666
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,319
a certain point

1667
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:35,839
and then they go forward to get to

1668
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:37,520
another point

1669
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,319
you know it's a very strange conflict

1670
01:00:44,069 --> 01:00:42,799
and apparently they part of us

1671
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:44,079
they just call himself part of the

1672
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:46,640
galactic group whatever

1673
01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:49,359
yeah whatever you want to take from that

1674
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:51,200
um it wasn't clear

1675
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:53,760
but uh yeah they said they

1676
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,760
they hoping in a few hundred years their

1677
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:57,280
programming

1678
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:58,079
will

1679
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,839
transform

1680
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:02,079
the world into a showpiece that's what

1681
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,440
they think although they said they had a

1682
01:01:05,670 --> 01:01:04,960
lot of problems currently because there

1683
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:05,680
were

1684
01:01:09,270 --> 01:01:06,720
lots of

1685
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,280
dynamic things happening in fact one of

1686
01:01:13,589 --> 01:01:11,520
the other reasons they were

1687
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,599
abducted on the route was they were

1688
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:15,119
trying to track

1689
01:01:23,349 --> 01:01:20,950
the aliens themselves were trying to

1690
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:23,359
check another ufo so

1691
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,440
the investigator asked are you

1692
01:01:28,390 --> 01:01:27,119
consciously aware of this and they said

1693
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:28,400
yes

1694
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,720
when he was younger he was with his

1695
01:01:35,270 --> 01:01:32,720
father and they came around the bend and

1696
01:01:37,109 --> 01:01:35,280
they saw this craft and they put brakes

1697
01:01:38,549 --> 01:01:37,119
on but as they

1698
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:38,559
got closer and closer because you know

1699
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,079
the car was skidding

1700
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,000
right you were just about to hit the

1701
01:01:47,829 --> 01:01:44,880
object the object shot off and it

1702
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:47,839
uh like a puff of red dust hit the car

1703
01:01:54,630 --> 01:01:51,520
and baked itself into the vehicle

1704
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:54,640
so for some reason they were trying to

1705
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,280
track this other craft maybe it's uh i

1706
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,359
don't know why they didn't explain why

1707
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,720
they were doing that

1708
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:02,400
but yeah that was just one of the things

1709
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:03,520
they were

1710
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:08,309
i thought that would be one of the

1711
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:10,720
interesting cases you would like to it's

1712
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:12,240
absolutely i mean all three of them are

1713
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:16,319
absolutely fascinating and i know um

1714
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,079
i'll hold up the book i know a couple of

1715
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:20,880
the cases are in this book uh ufos

1716
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,359
african encounters by cynthia hind now

1717
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,960
yes

1718
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:26,400
it would be easy for me to say i

1719
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,760
recommend everybody going out and

1720
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:29,440
getting a copy but

1721
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:32,240
unfortunately it's not that simple

1722
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:34,480
it's a very rare book now you know it's

1723
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,280
a very rare book gunter bless him sent

1724
01:02:40,710 --> 01:02:39,839
me a copy i you can still pick up a copy

1725
01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:40,720
but

1726
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:43,039
i think you're looking at about 250

1727
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,799
pounds at the moment yeah i can't

1728
01:02:48,309 --> 01:02:46,480
believe that you know i can't believe

1729
01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:48,319
that i mean it was written in i think

1730
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:50,640
this one was released in 82

1731
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,200
yeah and hasn't been in print for a very

1732
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,599
long time so i'm sure there's just

1733
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:57,359
purely a limited amount of copies out

1734
01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,760
there but um you know hopefully and i'm

1735
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,520
certainly going to have a look online if

1736
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,520
there's any information you know in the

1737
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:05,520
world wide web about any of those cases

1738
01:03:09,910 --> 01:03:07,599
because they really are fascinating

1739
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,920
so uh yeah i mean my mind is blown i

1740
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,200
think a lot of people in the chat from

1741
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:13,440
what i can see is that everyone's a bit

1742
01:03:18,309 --> 01:03:16,720
like wow like that's incredible um

1743
01:03:19,750 --> 01:03:18,319
and this is exactly what i wanted from

1744
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,760
this conversation going through is to

1745
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,240
hear cases that a we'd not heard for b

1746
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:24,480
that have so many different angles and

1747
01:03:29,029 --> 01:03:26,799
points of evidence and testimony and

1748
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:29,039
that that's always so good to have you

1749
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:30,720
know quite a bit of data and information

1750
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,680
i think because in africa it was it's so

1751
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,359
detached from the rest of the world

1752
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,359
media at the time particularly if you go

1753
01:03:42,549 --> 01:03:39,520
into the 70s

1754
01:03:45,190 --> 01:03:42,559
and 80s even up till the time of aerial

1755
01:03:47,670 --> 01:03:45,200
school in the early 90s you know yeah

1756
01:03:49,670 --> 01:03:47,680
you know there wasn't much

1757
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:49,680
sci-fi

1758
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,039
space

1759
01:03:55,109 --> 01:03:53,280
internet the internet was you know

1760
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,119
what's that you know

1761
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:56,799
you came there with you know mobile

1762
01:04:01,510 --> 01:03:59,039
phone they would think what's that brick

1763
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:02,630
absolutely

1764
01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:07,440
fascinating and obviously if cynthia was

1765
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:09,119
here bless her

1766
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:11,119
yeah these stories

1767
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:14,400
she would have put it with absolutely

1768
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:16,000
you know much more better her

1769
01:04:21,589 --> 01:04:19,200
storytelling was fantastic you know

1770
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:21,599
we were just sitting in her lounge and

1771
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,039
she was just standing there in front of

1772
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:24,960
us telling us these stories and we were

1773
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:27,039
just doing goosebumps you know you know

1774
01:04:30,789 --> 01:04:29,200
yeah i can remember some of the stories

1775
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,799
are just amazing

1776
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:32,480
well one thing i will mention is and you

1777
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:34,319
know you mentioned this last time on the

1778
01:04:37,510 --> 01:04:36,160
previous interview is that

1779
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,520
cynthia used to produce a lot of

1780
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:40,559
booklets yes um now i've actually put a

1781
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,079
link in the description below for this

1782
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:44,079
video where it's the full archive

1783
01:04:47,670 --> 01:04:46,000
website of all the booklets yes so if

1784
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,680
anybody is interested in looking at

1785
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:50,160
cynthia's work check the link below it's

1786
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,760
i've put it under

1787
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,000
gunter's archive website for cynthia

1788
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:56,000
hines booklets and you can go and check

1789
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,920
them out they themselves are absolutely

1790
01:05:01,750 --> 01:05:00,000
fascinating little

1791
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:01,760
little booklets literally

1792
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:05,119
amazing yeah she uh she did

1793
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:06,960
obviously her investigations didn't stop

1794
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:08,799
with her main books

1795
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,359
she was over the years was collecting

1796
01:05:16,309 --> 01:05:13,119
reports

1797
01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,319
and she would either publish one or two

1798
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:18,960
of these little booklets per year

1799
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:19,839
with

1800
01:05:24,789 --> 01:05:22,559
some of the most interesting cases she

1801
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:24,799
got through from people over you know

1802
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,640
during that year period

1803
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:28,240
and some of them were follow-up cases

1804
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:30,880
from maybe a few years back

1805
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,960
they also includes the aerial school

1806
01:05:37,349 --> 01:05:34,240
cases

1807
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:37,359
uh in some of them and beyond you know

1808
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:40,000
until you know sadly she passed away in

1809
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,359
2000 you know yes yeah absolutely uh

1810
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:45,599
message here from dan the signal vinnie

1811
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,000
i'd love to digitize that book for safe

1812
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:50,640
keeping if you're up for it uh yeah i

1813
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:53,280
mean i'm sure there's kind of copyright

1814
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:56,480
laws somewhere involved but let's do it

1815
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:02,150
you know be worthwhile

1816
01:06:11,029 --> 01:06:09,750
gemini it's a they were what you call in

1817
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:11,039
zimbabwe

1818
01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:15,520
i don't know if they still hold the

1819
01:06:20,390 --> 01:06:17,760
publishing rights you know they may not

1820
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:20,400
exist anymore

1821
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,440
maybe i can ask cynthia's daughter

1822
01:06:27,190 --> 01:06:25,359
my granddaughter sorry

1823
01:06:28,950 --> 01:06:27,200
yeah because i know her

1824
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:28,960
well what i mean i'll speak to dan about

1825
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,160
it we'll certainly

1826
01:06:33,910 --> 01:06:32,799
go ahead and digitize it for private

1827
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,920
keeping

1828
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:35,680
if they give the go ahead that it's okay

1829
01:06:39,430 --> 01:06:37,680
for public

1830
01:06:40,870 --> 01:06:39,440
you know release then that's another

1831
01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:40,880
step we could possibly think about in

1832
01:06:43,430 --> 01:06:42,079
the future but

1833
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,440
i think you know

1834
01:06:46,870 --> 01:06:45,680
just to keep her legacy alive a bit more

1835
01:06:48,549 --> 01:06:46,880
as well

1836
01:06:50,150 --> 01:06:48,559
and that's why i put that's why i

1837
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,160
scanned all those little booklets of

1838
01:06:52,580 --> 01:06:52,319
hers yeah i was involved in that a lot

1839
01:06:53,829 --> 01:06:52,590
and

1840
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:53,839
[Music]

1841
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,480
i didn't want that to just disappear you

1842
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:58,480
know and

1843
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:00,400
i want people to read it

1844
01:07:04,309 --> 01:07:02,480
because there's so little that

1845
01:07:05,430 --> 01:07:04,319
comes out of africa

1846
01:07:08,789 --> 01:07:05,440
because yes

1847
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:08,799
information from africa is hard to get

1848
01:07:13,589 --> 01:07:10,079
people

1849
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:13,599
are not aware of you for as much more so

1850
01:07:20,549 --> 01:07:14,480
now

1851
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:20,559
we are bombarded on a daily basis and

1852
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:22,960
and have access to information and some

1853
01:07:27,270 --> 01:07:24,799
places in africa still don't have

1854
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:27,280
electricity and you know the basics that

1855
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,559
we consider

1856
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:30,400
yeah

1857
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:33,039
so these are a real treasure trove of

1858
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,640
her work you know

1859
01:07:38,069 --> 01:07:36,960
um absolutely valuable

1860
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:38,079
absolutely

1861
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:40,319
yeah well listen gunter thank you so

1862
01:07:47,029 --> 01:07:43,440
much my friend it's so good that blew my

1863
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:47,039
mind i'm so happy that i had you back uh

1864
01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,640
and you gave us those

1865
01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:50,880
those three cases i'm sure we'll do this

1866
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:53,280
again further down the line

1867
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:54,720
i'm sure there's more cases out there

1868
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,280
that we can talk about and uh

1869
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:59,200
yeah so um

1870
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,640
yeah that's all i can say is thank you

1871
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:02,400
so much my friend thank you to everybody

1872
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,520
in the chat

1873
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,599
um before we go i'll give you a little

1874
01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,599
breakdown of what i've got coming up

1875
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:09,680
um so you will be able to listen to this

1876
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:11,760
on the anomalous podcast network i

1877
01:08:15,750 --> 01:08:13,839
apologize to anyone listening obviously

1878
01:08:17,829 --> 01:08:15,760
because we've shown a presentation but

1879
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:17,839
gunther was a very good storyteller as

1880
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:19,839
was cynthia hines so i think you'll

1881
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:22,159
still enjoy the conversation

1882
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,520
um

1883
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:26,080
as far as this channel goes tomorrow i

1884
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,000
am premiering my interview with sarah

1885
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,799
crudus sarah appears in the new tv show

1886
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,960
with craig charles on sky history here

1887
01:08:38,309 --> 01:08:35,679
in the uk that actually airs tonight

1888
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,319
the 11th uh so my interview with her

1889
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:40,960
comes out tomorrow then on thursday i am

1890
01:08:45,990 --> 01:08:43,759
live with gary voorhees and some of the

1891
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,000
uapx crew i think jason turner is

1892
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:48,400
joining us i think jeremy mcgowan might

1893
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:50,400
be joining us um so that's going to be a

1894
01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,839
good conversation

1895
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,080
then on uh

1896
01:08:57,829 --> 01:08:55,759
this saturday night i'm just waiting for

1897
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,839
final confirmation but chances are

1898
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,040
looking good that ross coulthart is

1899
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,279
going to join me again for a follow-up

1900
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:04,000
conversation to the one we had last year

1901
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:07,279
then monday the 17th big conversation

1902
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:10,640
former us army colonel john alexander

1903
01:09:13,749 --> 01:09:11,600
from

1904
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:13,759
you know one of the someone who i've his

1905
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,199
work i've followed for a long time

1906
01:09:19,269 --> 01:09:17,440
really important work with nids or sap

1907
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:19,279
and all the kind of related phenomena

1908
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,960
with skin walker ranch and all that that

1909
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:22,400
is this monday

1910
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:26,000
then next thursday the 20th dr david

1911
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:27,600
clarke will be joining me again we're

1912
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:28,880
going to be talking about project

1913
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:33,040
condyne and other stuff in the uk di55

1914
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,719
so we've got lots coming up guys but if

1915
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,319
you don't follow me on instagram and

1916
01:09:39,669 --> 01:09:38,080
twitter i recommend you do because

1917
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:39,679
that's where you'll find all the exact

1918
01:09:44,070 --> 01:09:42,159
details of when these things go out

1919
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:44,080
and i think that's about it for now so

1920
01:09:48,630 --> 01:09:46,400
yeah finally one more time gunter thank

1921
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:48,640
you so much for joining me my friend

1922
01:09:52,470 --> 01:09:50,159
we'll have a little chat after the live

1923
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:52,480
stream to everyone in the live chat now

1924
01:09:56,550 --> 01:09:54,159
and everyone in the future listening to

1925
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:56,560
this on the podcast network thank you so

1926
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,360
much